Couesnon Flugelhorn Serial Numbers

  • There is no serial number chart extant for Couesnon. I do, however, find it difficult to believe that they produced saxophones after 1980, as their construction is far inferior to the Buffet SuperDynaction 'transitional' models or S1, the Dolnet M70 or the Selmer Mark VII/S80.
  • Here is a vintage Couesnon flugelhorn. The quintessential jazz horn. French made, serial number 56532. This particular horn was professionally repaired with a couple of dents repaired and the #2 valve cap replaced. The cap used is not an original Couesnon but functions as it should and does not affect the play of the instrument.
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Serial Numbers
Serial NumberYearYearEvent / News
-1890Born Vincent Schrotenbach
in Vienna
-1916Vincent Bach designed and handcrafted his first mouthpieces.
-1916Vincent Bach 1st published Cornet Solos

210 W. 107 St
New York, NY
(map)

-1918Vincent Bach began Mouthpiece Mfg.
(Workshop)

11 East 14th Street
New York, NY
(map)
(images)

-19191st Factory

204 East 85th Street
New York, NY
(map)
(images)

-1922Moved to 2nd Factory

237 East 41st Street
New York, NY
(map)
(images)

-1922Incorporated as
Vincent Bach Corporation, Inc.
New York City
Index #: 7517
August 18, 1922
-19241st Trumpets/Cornets Completed
-1925May 1, 1925 - 1st Trumpet Sold
(from USPTO Filing)
-1925'Mercury' trademark filed
Filed: August 14, 1925
Registered: May 16, 1926
-1925'Stradivarius' trademark filed
Filed: August 14, 1925
Registered: May 16, 1926
141925-1st Mfg. card @ Bach
5001926-
6001927-
6571926-
-1927'Mercedes' trademark filed
Filed: March 21, 1927
Registered: May 31, 1927
-19271st models with Nickel casings
-19281st Mercury model trumpets using German Valve blocks.
-Oct.
1928
Moved to 3rd factory

621 East 216th Street
Bronx, NY
(map)
(images)

9001928-
06391928-1928Bach Apollo Model
8600-87001928-1928Bach Apollo Models
12491929
14501930-
22501935-
23441934-
25681935-
27521935-
100001933-1933Bach Mercury Models
41171937-
46111939-
102411939-Bach Mercury Cornet (Dec. 1939)
46501940-
48631941-
55001941-
57631941-
57911942-
57921942-
57931942-
65001945-
91001950-
120001953-
120021953-
124781953-
125761953-Latest known
NY serial number. (Mercury)
126151953-Earliest known
Mt. Vernon serial number.
128361953-
-1953Moved to
Mt. Vernon, NY

50 South MacQuesten Parkway
Mt. Vernon, NY
(map)
(images)

301231954-10/5/54Bach Mercury Cornet
30000-330001955-1955Bach Mercury Models
136001955-
148921956-
250619581958Bach Minerva Model
27221958-1958Bach Minerva Model
195001960-
205031960-8/17/60Bach Mercury Trumpet
28111961-1961Bach Minerva Model
-1961Vincent Bach Corp.
purchased by Selmer Industries
(October 1961)
210001961-
219501962-
'Vincent Bach' trademark filed
Filed: May 2, 1962
Registered: Feb. 19, 1963
'Bach shield' trademark filed
Filed: May 2, 1962
Registered: July 30, 1963
-1963Closed Mt. Vernon, NY
Factory
240001964-
300171964-
-1965Production started in
Elkhart, IN


600 Industrial Parkway
Elkhart, IN
(map)
(images)

300001965-
500001970-
1000001974-
1120001975-
-1976Vincent Bach Dies
1217XX1977-
1427961978-
1649141979-
1750001980-
2000001981-
2300001983-
2500001985-
3360001990-
4200001994-
4360001995
-1995Selmer Industries buys Steinway Musical Properties
4520001996-
-1996IPO as Steinway Musical Instruments
-1997'Bach Circle' trademark filed
Filed: May 1, 1997
Registered: Oct. 13, 1998
4680001997-
4840001998-
5000001999-
2000-
-2000Acquisition of United Musical Instruments
2001-
5250002002-
-2002John Stoner named CEO;
Conn Selmer
2003-
-2003Merger of UMI and Selmer into Conn-Selmer
'Vincent Bach' trademark
Renewed: March 5, 2003
2004-
6159952004-
-2004Closed Original Selmer Plant
North Main Street,
Elkhart, IN
-2004 John Ratzenberger's
'Made in America'

Filmed
-2004'Bach shield' trademark
Renewed: Feb. 13, 2004
2005-
6442072006-Last Horn built before
Strike April 1st 2006
6460132007-
Start of the 'True Bach'
Advertising Campaign
1773532007-Model 182 (Eastlake, OH)
Note different serial number order
Serial NumberYearYearEvent / News

Q: Whatever happened toCouesnon?

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Couesnon is one of the great names in brass instruments, inbusiness over 170 years. It grew to include eight factoriesemploying, at one time, over 1800 people in France. In the USA in the1950s, the Couesnon flugelhorn became very popular as a doublinginstrument for jazz trumpet artists. Their flugelhorn sounded great,was readily available, and was cheap. They were everywhere. Itsdesign is copied by the overwhelming majority of instrument makerswho now make and market flugelhorns.

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Why is it, then, that one can no longer buy such a popularinstrument?

Couesnon flugelhorn serial numbers

A:

Actually, you can. Here's the story.

The Couesnon company was started in 1827, in ChâteauThierry, a small city on the Marne River, 50 miles east of Paris, anarea traditionally associated with the making of brass instruments,according to Richard Dundas, in his book, Twentieth Century BrassMusical Instruments in the Twentieth Century (third edition). Thecompany was purchased by the Couesnon family in 1883 and already hadan outstanding reputation as a maker of fine instruments. Theproduction included percussion, woodwinds (including double reeds),small and large brasses, and military bugles. Under the personaldirection of Amedee Couesnon for 48 years, the company won manymedals and awards for quality production and technical innovation.

They made many horns which were imported into the United States,including many that were sold under the names of music stores andother private labels.

By 1911, Couesnon had expanded to eleven factories and more than1000 workers, meeting the needs of many performing groups andmilitary bands. During this time the products were highly soughtafter and were played by many of the virtuosos at the time. To get asense of this, take a look at theCouesnon1915 Catalog. Although they made virtually any musicalinstrument, during the 1930s they began catering to 'Fanfare bands'(marching brass bands very popular at the time), and gradually becamealmost the only supplier of marching brass instruments in France. Atthis same time, prior to the war, the Couesnon trumpet factory inParis was located right next door to the F. Besson trumpet factory,where the premiere trumpets prior to World War II were made.Curiously, the Couesnon trumpets of the time look virtually identicalto the F. Besson models.

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At the end of World War II, the music business started to change,but Couesnon continued to deal primarily with the special needs andinstruments of brass and military bands. The C/Bb trumpet marketbecame dominated by Selmer, Courtois, LeBlanc in France and even thelarger American manufacturers. The public continued to associateCouesnon with the brass band; not the orchestral or jazz band.Starting in the 60 's and during the next 20 years, Couesnon tried toexpand its share in markets other than fanfare bands. They made aline called 'Monopole Conservatoire' higher quality instruments,trying to gain more customers in conservatory (music students). Forexample, they employed Mr Bernard Soustrot (first prize in the 1976Maurice André Competition in Paris) to try all the piccolostrumpets made in the workshop and to give his 'blessing' to these newinstruments. Unfortunately, these efforts proved ultimatelyineffective, and their traditional market continued to decrease inpopularity to the point that brass bands have almost all disappearedin France. According to Richard Dundas, sixty percent of theproduction was exported throughout the world with as much thirtypercent sold in the United States. However, as sales declined, theprofits dwindled and the losses mounted. Factories were sold off andin 1969 the main factory in Château Thierry was badly damagedby fire, destroying the archives. In 1978, the contract with Gretchto import Couesnon instruments to the United States was terminatedand new Couesnon instruments have been very rare in the US since thattime.

The fire resulted in loss of all the company records, includingthose which would make it possible to determine the year ofmanufacture from the serial number. This question arises all the timeand there appears simply to be no information available. I've triedover a number of years to see if anybody in the US or France has thisinformation, or any key to the odd numbers that are found stamped allover some Couesnon instruments. There seems to be no key or patternto them. And worse yet, so very few Couesnon instruments are in thehands of the original owners that attempting to establish a data baseof serial numbers and date of manufacture (as has been successfullydone with Benge trumpets) is impossible.For a while one major retailer of used instruments used to attachdates of manufacture on the Couesnons they were selling based on theserial numbers. I inquired as to where they were getting thatinformation (only wishing to provide web space for it), they answeredvaguely and then discontinued the practice entirely withoutexplanation. Sorry about that.

Here, however, might be some good news: Steve H., a correspondentwho has purchased several Couesnons, writes:

A customer in France who deals in vintage hornsgave me this info which seems to work, judging by condition andstyling of various examples. In the 'grenade,' the circle with flamecoming out of the top [editor's note: some people think that it's'the pineapple,' pictured nearby, and they only appear on someinstruments], below the word PARIS is a number which indicates theyear of manufacture, 6 would mean 1906, 24 would mean 1924, 65 means1965 and so forth.

So, everybody take a look. Matching the estimated age of yourCouesnon with the number described, If you think it might be possiblethat it is the date of manufacture, pleaselet me know.

Althoughtoday the company has only 25 employees working in its sole shop inChâteau Thierry, Couesnon is still in business. In 1999, theFrench drum maker P.G.M. bought the name, the tooling, and thefactory to give it new life. The company is now known as P.G.M.Cousenon. Their most popular products are hunting horns and tambourdrums mainly for the French market. Unfortunately all the mandrelsand tooling needed for the making of C, Bb and piccolo trumpets hadbeen stolen, so the workshop is making only brass band instruments,such as the flugelhorn ('bugle' in French), cornet, tuba, a trueFrench French horn, with piston valves and extended stems for lefthand operation, hunting horns, and a natural trumpet (Jeanne of Arcmodel) and of course military bugles ('clarion' in French) includingbass bugles, cavalry trumpets and so forth. Many of these instrumentshave unique designs. As the instruments are hand made in very smallquantities, the quality, I am told, is exceptional.

The company is now a very small family owned business whoseownership is found in the company's name, P.G.M.

P comes from the family name Planson, the ownerof the drum company who bought Couesnon in 1999. Both mother andfather work at the company, mother in the office and father in theproduction. They have two daughters Sophie and Isabelle who actuallyown the company today.

G comes from Sophie's married name which is Glace. She runsthe company now, and her husband Stephan Glace works as productionmanager.

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M comes from Isabelle's married name which is Moret. She isa sewer and makes instrument bags. Her husband does not work at thecompany.

The company is all situated in one building, containing office,manufacturing, storage, and lacquering. Only silverplating and casemaking are done elsewhere. Production facilities are old-fashionedand the employees are skilled hand craftsmen, somewhat similar toSchilke--no computer controlled devices and just a littleelectromechanical machinery. All of the Couesnon instruments are tobe regarded as handmade. Strangely enough nobody at the factory couldplay, at least not a flugelhorn, and professionals musicians werecalled in for the final testing.

They make three flugelhorn models, to wit:

Couesnon flugelhorn serial numbers list
  • 137 Tradition, which is the small one (2003 price 1031 Euro, in lacquered version which is standard),
  • 142 Monopole (1721 Euro) and a 142 CR (Cuivre Rose) which has rose brass bell (1892 Euro).
  • 144 which is the 4 valve version (1804 Euro).
Couesnon

I've heard rumors of an all copper version and silverplating isavailable on request for all models except the 142 CR.

Production of flugelhorns is about 50-60 a year, and except from afew sold in France, most are sold to Japan. Because the production isso small, they are not found in large quantities in music stores,even in France. There are no distributors. Thus, the only way toacquire a new Couesnon instrument is to order directly from thefactory.The company struggles and its marketing efforts are from thesame age as the tooling. They don't have a web-site, they don't havee-mail, they don't take credit cards, and they don't seem to have adistribution network. Communications and transportation to ChateauThierry is poor . There are only a few trains to/from Paris, and nobuses. No brochure could be found anywhere in Paris, only in theiroffice.

Couesnon can be reached by phone at 0323835675 (Sophie Glace, whoanswers the phone, speaks pretty good English), and by fax 0323836797(responses are somewhat slow in coming).

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In January 2005, PGM-Couesnon slipped quietly into the computerage, launching their ownwebsite. It isvisible in both French and English.

I'm indebted toJean-MichelSouche, a young French trumpetplayer and teacher who was able to research and tell me much of theinformation about the current status of the company and its products.I am also grateful for OlafBrattegaard of Oslo, Norway, who visited the company in February2003 and reported to me much additional and more current information.Feel free to contact Mssr. Souche if you are interested in any ofthese products or Mr. Brattegaard if you have more questions. For the1915 Couesnon catalog link, I'm grateful to Jean Monange.

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